Comments on: Chlorine for the “Cesspool:” Why Google, Microsoft, and Yahoo Will Battle to Win Twitter http://parnassusgroup.com/twitterconference/2009/chlorine-for-the-cesspool-why-google-microsoft-and-yahoo-will-battle-to-win-twitter/ Tapping In To the Real Time Web Wed, 10 Mar 2010 03:44:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Phil Baumann http://parnassusgroup.com/twitterconference/2009/chlorine-for-the-cesspool-why-google-microsoft-and-yahoo-will-battle-to-win-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-112 Phil Baumann Wed, 27 May 2009 15:51:19 +0000 http://parnassusgroup.com/twitterconference/?p=229#comment-112 Found this post on FriendFeed. As it is now, Search.Twitter isn't nearly as powerful as it could be. Will Twitter evolve their own TweetRank algorithm, I don't know. Perhaps it will take an acquisition for that to happen. It's still not clear who will win the status race: FriendFeed isn't very mainstream but it does appear to capture metadata well and its search is more pliant than Twitter's right now. The comments above about spam are important for Twitter to take note. Twitter would certainly be a more attractive acquisition if it dealt more effectively with spam. Spam will always be a never-ending problem and I suspect that the so-called real-time web will be a never-ending stream of challenges and opportunities. Chlorine for the cesspool: yes, please, can we have some already? Found this post on FriendFeed.

As it is now, Search.Twitter isn’t nearly as powerful as it could be. Will Twitter evolve their own TweetRank algorithm, I don’t know. Perhaps it will take an acquisition for that to happen.

It’s still not clear who will win the status race: FriendFeed isn’t very mainstream but it does appear to capture metadata well and its search is more pliant than Twitter’s right now.

The comments above about spam are important for Twitter to take note. Twitter would certainly be a more attractive acquisition if it dealt more effectively with spam. Spam will always be a never-ending problem and I suspect that the so-called real-time web will be a never-ending stream of challenges and opportunities.

Chlorine for the cesspool: yes, please, can we have some already?

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This is a wonderful opportunity for a smaller search engine to gain massive strides on Google. Friendfeed search is pretty fantastic, and they do much more than search.

]]> By: Shane McCallum http://parnassusgroup.com/twitterconference/2009/chlorine-for-the-cesspool-why-google-microsoft-and-yahoo-will-battle-to-win-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-107 Shane McCallum Tue, 26 May 2009 17:59:50 +0000 http://parnassusgroup.com/twitterconference/?p=229#comment-107 I couldn't agree more with Philippe, Twitter is chock full of spam and "gaming". I have used StackOverflow and I like Dan's idea, though the algorithm would have to be something truly special for it to work on such a massive, and diverse, populace of users. Thanks to Steve for his article, since before this I wasn't really sure I understood why the big 3 were so interested in Twitter. BTW I found this post via a tweet. :) I couldn’t agree more with Philippe, Twitter is chock full of spam and “gaming”. I have used StackOverflow and I like Dan’s idea, though the algorithm would have to be something truly special for it to work on such a massive, and diverse, populace of users.

Thanks to Steve for his article, since before this I wasn’t really sure I understood why the big 3 were so interested in Twitter. BTW I found this post via a tweet. :)

]]> By: Dan Parsons http://parnassusgroup.com/twitterconference/2009/chlorine-for-the-cesspool-why-google-microsoft-and-yahoo-will-battle-to-win-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-106 Dan Parsons Tue, 26 May 2009 17:31:17 +0000 http://parnassusgroup.com/twitterconference/?p=229#comment-106 The spam issue on twitter is getting very serious indeed. I believe the first step toward a solution will be a reputation score based system similar to that in place on stackoverflow.com. One's ability to follow masses of people on twitter needs to be in proportion to their reputation score, and there needs to be some non-trivial algorithm based on legitimate forms of participation over time. The spam issue on twitter is getting very serious indeed. I believe the first step toward a solution will be a reputation score based system similar to that in place on stackoverflow.com. One’s ability to follow masses of people on twitter needs to be in proportion to their reputation score, and there needs to be some non-trivial algorithm based on legitimate forms of participation over time.

]]> By: jay http://parnassusgroup.com/twitterconference/2009/chlorine-for-the-cesspool-why-google-microsoft-and-yahoo-will-battle-to-win-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-103 jay Tue, 26 May 2009 14:43:39 +0000 http://parnassusgroup.com/twitterconference/?p=229#comment-103 makes complete sense, if you're searching for promotional material, ironic videos, celebrity gossip, and other blog posts. try searching for actual, substantive content on search.twitter.com and you'll get a whole lot of useless, unsourced results. makes complete sense, if you’re searching for promotional material, ironic videos, celebrity gossip, and other blog posts. try searching for actual, substantive content on search.twitter.com and you’ll get a whole lot of useless, unsourced results.

]]> By: Adina Levin http://parnassusgroup.com/twitterconference/2009/chlorine-for-the-cesspool-why-google-microsoft-and-yahoo-will-battle-to-win-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-102 Adina Levin Tue, 26 May 2009 14:43:38 +0000 http://parnassusgroup.com/twitterconference/?p=229#comment-102 Twitter as a means of adding metadata, absolutely. But Twitter isn't a cure for spam. The amount of Twitter spam is increasing. Spam is endemic to any successful interactive service, unfortunately. Twitter's owners will need to fight spam forever to keep it for killing the service. Twitter as a means of adding metadata, absolutely.

But Twitter isn’t a cure for spam. The amount of Twitter spam is increasing. Spam is endemic to any successful interactive service, unfortunately. Twitter’s owners will need to fight spam forever to keep it for killing the service.

]]> By: Philippe Dame http://parnassusgroup.com/twitterconference/2009/chlorine-for-the-cesspool-why-google-microsoft-and-yahoo-will-battle-to-win-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-101 Philippe Dame Tue, 26 May 2009 14:40:55 +0000 http://parnassusgroup.com/twitterconference/?p=229#comment-101 Twitter can and is <b>already</b> "gamed". It will get worse when it really hits mainstream. I'm already swamped with Twitter spammers that follow me just so I can view their profile one time (i.e. "Get Viagra now" + a URL is their last status update). Twitter has poor SPAM control and if Google can't detect and remove it all, how will Twitter? That said, I agree it still would be a smart and strategic acquisition for a search engine to add that human-filtered and live element. SPAM, however, will spoil it for many of us. It's tough for a few companies to out-innovate legions of profit-seeking hackers. Twitter can and is already “gamed”. It will get worse when it really hits mainstream. I’m already swamped with Twitter spammers that follow me just so I can view their profile one time (i.e. “Get Viagra now” + a URL is their last status update).

Twitter has poor SPAM control and if Google can’t detect and remove it all, how will Twitter? That said, I agree it still would be a smart and strategic acquisition for a search engine to add that human-filtered and live element.

SPAM, however, will spoil it for many of us. It’s tough for a few companies to out-innovate legions of profit-seeking hackers.

]]> By: Mike Koss http://parnassusgroup.com/twitterconference/2009/chlorine-for-the-cesspool-why-google-microsoft-and-yahoo-will-battle-to-win-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-100 Mike Koss Tue, 26 May 2009 14:38:02 +0000 http://parnassusgroup.com/twitterconference/?p=229#comment-100 I find that Twitter searches return as much if not more spam as Google. Twitter has done notthing to rank content for quality or relevence as most people use search to find the most recent tweeets for their search term. And its arguably a harder problem to identify the chaf as there is much less data about a single tweet to base a decision on. I find that Twitter searches return as much if not more spam as Google. Twitter has done notthing to rank content for quality or relevence as most people use search to find the most recent tweeets for their search term.

And its arguably a harder problem to identify the chaf as there is much less data about a single tweet to base a decision on.

]]> By: DL Byron http://parnassusgroup.com/twitterconference/2009/chlorine-for-the-cesspool-why-google-microsoft-and-yahoo-will-battle-to-win-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-51 DL Byron Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:07:30 +0000 http://parnassusgroup.com/twitterconference/?p=229#comment-51 One of your best ever titles. I don't even need to read the rest of the post, that was so satisfying. One of your best ever titles. I don’t even need to read the rest of the post, that was so satisfying.

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